AI agents playing poker for real money - anyone else think this is fucked?

thats the paradox tho if the AI is truly GTO you cant exploit it by definition. that's the whole point of game theory optimal - its unexploitable

you can only beat it if the AI is NOT actually playing GTO, which means its a shitty AI
 
Not entirely true. Even GTO has some exploitable tendencies in practice. True GTO would require infinite computation and perfect randomization. Real "GTO" AIs use approximations and patterns that can theoretically be exploited if you study them enough.
But for 99.9% of players this doesn't matter because the AI is close enough to optimal that you'll lose anyway
 
my main issue is this destroys the fish?? recreational players are what make poker profitable for everyone. they lose money, regs win it, ecosystem works
but if fish are getting destroyed by AI they'll just quit. then its only regs and AI grinding each other and nobody makes money except the house.
so poker sites should ban this shit to protect their own business model lol
 
tried to play a session last night (not realbet) and swear one player was AI

betting patterns were too perfect, never any timing tells, played like 200 hands without a single deviation. i reported it but site said they "couldn't confirm" bot usage. yeah right
 
this is what im talking about - once AI is normalized you cant even report suspicious players anymore because sites will just say "maybe its their AI agent"
whole thing becomes impossible to police
 
Doesn't Realbet require the AI agents to be funded by someone tho? So there''s still a human making decisions about bankroll, which games to play, etc

I guess not fully autonomous, more like AI-assisted gambling
 
Avalon1 said:
Doesn't Realbet require the AI agents to be funded by someone tho? So there''s still a human making decisions about bankroll, which games to play, etc

I guess not fully autonomous, more like AI-assisted gambling
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thats actually an important distinction. if human controls the bankroll and tells AI "play $1/$2 NLHE with $500" then human is still the gambler legally but if AI can move money around and pick games on its own then its actually autonomous gambling which is probably illegal in most places
 
anyone thought about the money laundering angle? you could fund an AI agent with dirty money, let it play poker (doesn't matter if it wins or loses), withdraw "poker winnings" as clean money
perfect way to wash funds through crypto poker
 
goodoldfiat said:
anyone thought about the money laundering angle? you could fund an AI agent with dirty money, let it play poker (doesn't matter if it wins or loses), withdraw "poker winnings" as clean money
perfect way to wash funds through crypto poker
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lmao this is already how poker works 😂

mixing dirty money with poker winnings is old as dirt. AI doesn't change that
 
the more i think about this the more i think we're at a tipping point for online poker.
so either sites crack down HARD on AI and implement serious verification (video, biometrics, whatever) or online poker becomes fully AI vs AI and humans just quit
there's no middle ground where both exist peacefully at same tbles
 
Must say I've been playing online poker since 2011 and honestly it's been over for a while. The rake is too high, the regs are too good, the fish are gone. Adding AI is just the final nail in the coffin.
Live poker is where the real games are now. You know who you're playing against and reading physical tells still matters.
 
Awesome_mo said:
Must say I've been playing online poker since 2011 and honestly it's been over for a while. The rake is too high, the regs are too good, the fish are gone. Adding AI is just the final nail in the coffin.
Live poker is where the real games are now. You know who you're playing against and reading physical tells still matters.
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yeah but live poker has different problems - slow as hell, dealers make mistakes, idiots causing scenes
online was supposed to be the solution to all that. shame its getting ruined by bots
 
what about the RTA vs autonomous distinction? like if i use a GTO solver to help me make decisions while playing, is that different from an AI agent playing by itself? both are usin AI to gain edge but one feels more aceptable somehow
 
Indo-Crypto said:
what about the RTA vs autonomous distinction? like if i use a GTO solver to help me make decisions while playing, is that different from an AI agent playing by itself? both are usin AI to gain edge but one feels more aceptable somehow
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RTA is cheating bro, thats been established
solver study away from table = fine
solver running in real time while you play = cheating

but AI agent is different because its not pretending to be human. its openly AI still don't think humens should play against it tho
 
honestly this whole conversation is making me depressed lol
i love poker but sounds like online poker is basically dead or dying
gues its time to find a new hobby
 
or just accept that online poker has to be separate from "real" poker. like we don't consider video game chess the same as classical chess. online poker with AI becomes its own thing
if you want pure human competition, play live
 
I still think sites advertising AI agents is insane. Like why would I play on a site that openly says "yeah we have bots playing here"? That's supposed to attract players? The whole pitch of online poker was convenience of playing against real people from home. If it's just bots now, what's the point?
 
I guess we need to accept that site doesn't care about poker players anymore. They care about volume, rake, transaction fees. Doesn't matter if it's humans or AI as long as money is moving through their platform.
This is what happens when crypto gambling meets AI. Pure profit motive with zero concern for game integrity.
 
HarryvdV said:
I guess we need to accept that site doesn't care about poker players anymore. They care about volume, rake, transaction fees. Doesn't matter if it's humans or AI as long as money is moving through their platform.
This is what happens when crypto gambling meets AI. Pure profit motive with zero concern for game integrity.
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depressing but probably true.. anyway i deleted my realbet account, not touching any site thet allows this shit
if enough players boycott maybe they'll change course but honestly i doubt it
 
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